The Tudors Recap – Season 3 Footnotes Episodes 5-8

Hello, and Welcome to the CanuckMom (1) , and Pusher 7 (2) Footnotes page for The Tudors Season 3 Episodes 5-8.

1: I swear I will finish The Witcher…by 31st December 2020.

Edit: Did I actually say that? I guess I actually did.

2: You know who you are…I don’t, but I do know that you want me to finish The Ten Commandments. I swear I will finish The Ten Commandments…by 31st December 2020.

Well, I’ve stuck it on the footnotes page for half a season. It should be pretty hard to sidle out of that commitment. Harder than actually doing the work? I guess we’ll find out just how Henry VIII I am (I am).

Oh, and I think I’ve found an easier way to do this.

That’s it. That’s the introduction to the second half of season 3 footnotes page.

Bibliography Season 3, Episodes 5-8

Books

Borman, Tracy, The Private Lives of The Tudors, Hodder and Stoughton, 2016

Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell, Hodder and Stoughton 2014

Borman, Tracy, Henry VIII and the men who made him, Hodder and Stoughton 2019

Fraser, Antonia, The Six Wives of Henry VIII, Arrow 1998

Frieda, Leonie, Francis I: The Maker of Modern France, Weidenfield and Nicholson 2018

Hutchinson, Robert, The Last Days of Henry VIII, Weidenfeld and Nicholson 2005

Parker, Geoffrey, Emperor: A New Life of Charles V, Yale University Press 2020

Russell, Gareth Young and Damned and Fair, William Collins 2018

Schenk, Wilhelm, Reginald Pole, Cardinal of England, Longmans, Green & Co, 1950

Starkey, David, Six Wives: The Queens of Henry VIII, Vintage 2004

Weir, Alison, Henry VIII: King and Court,Pimlico 2002

Wilkinson, Josephine, Katherine Howard: The Tragic Story of Henry VIII’s Fifth Queen. John Murray 2017

Online

British History Online: Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII Starting at Volume 12 Part 2

Hall’s Chronicle (1809 printing) Has a far longer original title, written by Edward Hall (1496 – 1547) Protestant perspective.

Episode 5: Problems in the Reformation (Part 1)

First, The Tea

1:Starkey, David, Six Wives, p608 (Letters and Papers Henry VIII, Vol 12, Part 2 item 977 – Russell to Cromwell 24/10/1537)Also Fraser, Antonia, Six Wives, p280 (the same)

Then we assassinate Pakington

2: I’m paraphrasing but here:Letters and Papers Henry VIII,Volume 11, Nov 1536, no 1092

3: Hall’s Chronicle page 824

4:The Tudor Society Online, it needs a sub, but the part from a woman who knew he imported bibles is before the break.

q: Cromwell’s Holbein portrait was destroyed after his death. Three early copies remain. This is the one from the National Gallery, London. Courtesy Wikipedia.

5: Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell, p284-287

6: Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell, p282-284

7:Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell, p290

More Tea

8: Hall’s Chronicle, p825

9: Weir, Alison, Henry VIII King and Court p408 (John Leland Collectanea – British Library)

10: Fraser, Antonia, Six Wives p282 (Halls Chronicle p825 as above)

Meet Will

11 Weir, Alison, Henry VIII: King and Court p251

12: Borman, Tracy, The Private Lives of The Tudors, p225

13:Borman, Tracy, The Private Lives of The Tudors p141 (Attributed to Erasmus, quoted in Southworth, J Fools and Jesters at the English Court p9)

Mary, too

14:Fraser, Antonia, Six Wives p281

15: Weir, Alison, Henry VIII: King and Court p409

Caserta, 1538 where we turned the gig.

Week 1.5: Nonsuch Palace

Excitingly Close to Caserta, 1538

Back at the Brandon’s for Angst

Week 2: back in the whistling apartments

Fictional Crime

Hygiene Central

16: Weir, Alison, Henry VIII: King and Court p410

17:Weir, Alison, Henry VIII: King and Court p414 (Letters and papers,April 6-10 1538, Item 696, Thomas Worley to Lady Lisle)

Episode 5: Problems in the Reformation (Part 2)

The 2DOR Office

1) Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell, p277

Royal Palace Cul de Sac

2) If you’re interested, easiest to see it on a map, or maybe take a street view tour. Marlborough Road, the only available route between the Mall and the top of Pall Mall features a lot of very high, thick walls, hefty spiky metalwork, impassive blank gates and a corner of St James’ Palace. The Old Stable Yard that leads to Clarence House is not accessible. It’s a neat solution to a high security need in one of the busiest parts of one of the busiest cities in the world, but it means St James’ Palace remains largely obscured.

Pall Mall and The Mall, by the way, got their names from the Stuart royal family sport, which members played on courts set up near those roads, and maybe on the roads themselves. The Hanoverian family sport was Olympic level feuding with your heir and that happened everywhere.

Nonsuch, Not so Much

3) Fraser, Antonia, Six Wives, p287

4) Friends of Nonsuch site

Week 3: Henry “The Religious Situation” Tudor,

And the Dox Bollocks

5) Great Bible of 1540 p429 (Internet archive)

Total Recall

q) Weir, Alison, Henry VIII King and Court p414 (Letters and papers, April 1538, item 696, Thomas Worley to Lady Lisle) I’m having trouble believing there were 40 guys on one side, and they won against the guards, mainly because the incident is reported nowhere else other than this letter from some dude to Lady Lisle, but it’s a primary source and he quotes a lot of detail for the earlier, smaller, incidents of fighting he talks about.

Cromwell’s Got a Hessian Posse

Are the Prawns Code?

Phased Work Returns

6) Letters and papers October 1537 21st – 25th. Henry to Francis I Item 972

The Second Son

Greener Grass with Fewer Steps

Resume the Hunt

7) All found via Schenk, W, Reginald Pole: Cardinal of England

” One brainsick fool should be the ruin of so great a family” Letters and Papers September 1537 21-30 Item 795

“Make him eat his own heart” Letters and papers December 1538 11-15 (vol 13) item 1036: Cromwell’s friend Latimer reminds Cromwell he said it.

8) Letters and papers November 1538 1-5 (vol 13) item 753 a report from the French Ambassador

The Empire Strikes Back

9) Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell p302

10) Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell, p297

11) Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell, p303

Episode 6: Search for a New Queen (Part 1)

AOC.AOC.

The Foreshadowing

1) If you haven’t been back since I wrote Episode 5’s recap I found some basis for those two fighting incidents I previously dissed as bollocks. It’s from Alison Weir, and she got it in a primary source in the Letters and papers ( April 1538, item 696, Thomas Worley to Lady Lisle). It was Gawen Carrow, not Gawain Carew. He wasn’t killed, he aggressively resisted arrest for something else and might have killed a yeoman, and he was one of Cromwell’s guys. The letter was written April 1538 so it happened then or just before, 5 months after Henry’s isolation period.  Also I don’t trust the primary with the whole “40 guys rioting” thing, I haven’t found a reference anywhere else yet, and 40 guys on one side, the rioters win a fight at court and no one else has a note of it? Chapuys was uninterested? May well have happened but I bet it was a hell of a lot smaller.

So, it was later than The Tudors has it, (I came across it while researching something for this week) but it’s got a popular historian and primary source backing (with an awful lot of asterisks) so score one for The Tudors and Alison Weir.

What Cromwell Did

2) Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell, p302-303

q) Schenk, W, Reginald Pole Cardinal of England, p82 (Letters and Papers Vol 13, Pt 2 Item 753 (5th November Castillon to Montmorency – section in french)

3) Letters and Papers Vol13 Part 2 Item 695 record of interrogation

q2) attempt 1:https://www.british-history.ac.uk/letters-papers-hen8/vol13/no2/pp263-285 Item 703 Husee to Lord Lisle

attempt 2: https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-state-papers/spain/vol6/no1/pp108-119 item 37 Chapuys to the emperor – right at the bottom of a long letter, Geoffery Pole is referred to in code as Master Caro.

There’s Something About Marie

4) Hutchinson, Robert, The Last Days of Henry VIII, p20 (Kulek, Jean Correspondance politique de MM. de Castillon et de Marillac, ambassadeurs de France en Angleterre (1537 – 1542), 1885)

Confusion in the Cells

Stand Up Christina

5) Letters and Papers March 1538 (Item 507 Hutton to Cromwell)  account of Holbein’s visit.

An Impression of Evidence

An Evening at Court

6) Letters and Papers Vol12 Part 2 (December 1537) Item 1172

7) Starkey, David, Six Wives, p618 (Letter and papers Vol 12, Part 2 (December 1537) item 1188

8) Letters and Papers Vol 12 Part 2 (December 1537) Item 1187

The One That Got Away

9) Letters and Papers Vol 14 part 1(February 1539) Item 194

10) Letters and Papers Vol 13 Part 1 (March 1538) Item 507

11) Amyot, Thomas, Transcript of an original manuscript from George Constantyne to Lord Thomas Cromwell,  Archaelogia, Volume 23 (1831). Published Online and accessed and Cambridge University Press 2012.

12) Letters and Papers Vol 14 part 1(February 1539) Item 194 right at the end.

Much to do about Tapestry

13 Schenk, W, Reginald Pole, p85 *Letters and Papers Vol 14 Part 1 (18th May 1538) item 980 John Worth to Lord Lisle

14) Schenk, W, Reginal Pole, p85 (Letters and Papers Vol 13 Part 2 Item 855)

Leg man

15) Fraser, A, Six Wives p291 (Letters and papers Vol 13 Part 1 Item 583)

16) Weir Alison, Henry VIII King and Court p414 (Letters and Papers Vol 13 Part 1 – 14th May 1538 item 995)

Morning In England

Episode 6: Search For a New Queen Part 2

Easy Glider

1: Letters and Papers 16th October 1538 Item 622 (draft 3).

Pillow Talk

2: Weir, Alison, Henry VIII King and Court p417

3: Letters and papers 14th May 1536 Item 873

Cromwell’s Wave

4: Letters and papers 27th October 1538 Item 702 part 2.

Henry the Photophile and the Case of John Lambert

Torch Hand

Easy, Rider

5: Fraser, Antonia Six Wives p289 ((Kulek, Jean Correspondance politique de MM. de Castillon et de Marillac, ambassadeurs de France en Angleterre (1537 – 1542), 1885 p80-81)

Swanning About

To Be or Not to Be

Back at Don’t Care Ranch

6: Fraser, Antonia, Six Wives, p299

Henry’s Wave

Tell You Something Pretty

Episode 7: Protestant Anne of Cleves Part 1

Great Expectations

q: Borman, Tracy Thomas Cromwell p320 (Merriman R.B. (ed)Life and Letters of Thomas Cromwell 1902)Vol 1 p244

Crisis Meeting

1: Letters and Papers, 1st March 1539, Item 408

2: Spanish Calendar of State Papers, 8th March 1539, Item 42 (Chapuys recall and Wriothesley’s recall discussed, Wyatt also recalled at this time)

3: Letters and papers 14th March 1539, Item 520

4: Letters and Papers 16th March 1539, Item 533

5: Letters and Papers 3rd March 1539, Item 433

Time Skips and Failed Ships

6: Fraser, A, Six Wives, p308 (Campbell, Lorne Renaissance portaits, 1990, p85 and Hacker, Peter & Kuhl, Candy, A Portrait of Anne of Cleves, Burlington magazine, March 1992 p175)

7) Fraser, A Six Wives p300(Campbell, Lorne Renaissance portaits, 1990 p84, Pope-Hennessey, John, The Portrait in the Renaissance, 1961, p321 note 41)

8) Letters and Papers, 18th March 1539, Item 552 (Cromwell to Henry)

9: Fraser, A, Six Wives, p299 (Henry VIII, State Papers Volume 1p605)

10: Fraser, A, Six Wives, p306 (Strickland, Agnes, Lives of the Queens of England vol III p48)

Brighton calls for Aid!

A Cygnificant Dukedom

11: Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell, p322

Personality Politics

12:Fraser, A, Six Wives p299, Wilkinson, J, Katherine Howard,p55

Oversold

13: Borman, Tracy Thomas Cromwell, p323

q2: Letters and Papers Vol 14 pt2, 6th October 1539 item 285

Sir Francis Bryan’s International Intrigue Workshop

14: Schenk, W, Reginald Pole, p80

Intriguing

15: Weir, Alison, Henry VIII King and Court, p424 (Lisle Letters)

16: Wilkinson, J, Katherine Howard p56(Letters and Papers Vol14 Pt 2, 22nd November 1539 item 572 (4))

17:Wilkinson, J, Katherine Howard p56(Letters and Papers Vol16, 4th December 1541)

Was She Though?

18:Fraser, A, Six Wives p296

19: Fraser, A, Six Wives, p303-304

Oh, Those Calais Evenings

To Carpentras

Fashion Week, again?

To Rochford

20: Fraser, A Six Wives, p304-305

Episode 7: Protestant Anne of Cleves Part 2

The Whinging Adonis and the Old Chestnut

  1. Borman, T, Thomas Cromwell, p326

Look, it got a great reception but this is not what I ordered

A Gentle Stabbing at Dinner

2) Borman, T, Thomas Cromwell, p327 (Merriman, R.B. (Ed) Life and Letters of Thomas Cromwell, Vol 2, London 1902 p270)

Steady as she goes

Surly’s getting married in the morning

3) Hutchinson, Robert, The Last Days of Henry VIII, Weidenfeld and Nicholson p27

4) Fraser, A Six Wives p309

5) Fraser, A Six Wives p309 – 310

6) Fraser, A Six Wives p310 (Goldsmid E and G, A Collection of Eighteen Rare and Curious Historical Tracts and Pamplets, Edinburgh 1889 – It’s been googlebooked p10, but it’s like document number 12 or something, keep going past the one about William the Conqueror – It’s Four Original Documents relating to the marriage of Henry VIII and Anne of Cleves, some of it in a ridiculously fancy font.)

7) Borman, T, Thomas Cromwell p227

8) Borman, T Thomas Cromwell, p329

Welcome to wedding number 4 – “The Mulligan”

9)Weir, A Henry VIII King and Court p429

Evening Don’t

Bad Review

10) Hutchinson, Robert, The Last Days of Henry VIII, Weidenfeld and Nicholson p29 (Strype Ecclesiastical memorials… Vol 1Pt 2 – Googlebooked – contains depositions from Henry’s household about the Cleves marriage starting at p452)

11) Hutchinson, Robert, The Last Days of Henry VIII, Weidenfeld and Nicholson p29 Also Borman T, Thomas Cromwell p330 (Merriman R.B. (Ed) Letters of Thomas Cromwell Vol 2 p271)

12)Hutchinson, Robert, The Last Days of Henry VIII, Weidenfeld and Nicholson p29(Strype Ecclesiastical memorials… Vol 1Pt 2 – Googlebooked – p458)

A Bit of a Plot

13) Borman, T Thomas Cromwell,p334

Double Jeopardy

Displeasant Airs

14) Starkey, D Six wives p633-634 (Letter and Papers Vol 15 Item 776)

15) Hutchinson, Robert, The Last Days of Henry VIII, Weidenfeld and Nicholson p29 (Strype Ecclesiastical memorials… Vol 1Pt 2 – Googlebooked – contains depositions from Henry’s household about the Cleves marriage starting at p452

Women’s Talk

16) Starkey, D Six Wives p634-5

17) Strype Ecclesiastical memorials… Vol 1Pt 2 – Googlebooked – p462-463

Bad Encore

Episode 8:The Undoing of Cromwell Part 1

Flicker Spoiler

TRPALVD Theory

1) Hutchinson, Robert The Last Days of Henry VIII p30, Borman, Tracy Thomas Cromwell p348 both quotng (Strype Ecclesiastical memorials – seriously all the Tudor depositions about the marriage of AoC and Henry VIII are in there – p459-60 Wriothesley’s statement)

Vah Proditor and Mea Culpa

q)Letters and Papers Volume 14 Part 2 9th December Item 657

2) Wilkinson, J, Katherine Howard p71 (Not a primary but bases this in Brigden, Susan Thomas Wyatt, The Heart’s Forest, Faber 2012)

3) Borman, Tracy, Henry VIII and p379

Oh, I Ship It.

4) Wilkinson, J, Katherine Howard p70, Fraser, A Six Wives p313, that’s two and I’m not tracking this one down further. It’s oft quoted in the books about his wives at this point, and no one reckons a Tudor said it.

5)Parker, Geoffrey, Emperor p267

6) Freida, Leonie Francis I, p273

Not All Annes

Two Cromwells

And Wrong

8) Letters and Papers Vol 14 Part 2 22nd December 1539 item 719

And More Wrong a C-bomb and Possible abuse

9) Letters and papers Vol 16 5th November 1541 item 1321

10) Russell, Gareth, Young and Damned and Fair, p65

11) Wilkinson, Josephine Katherine Howard p30, Russell, Gareth, Young and Damned and Fair p64 (State Papers Domestic 1/167 f129, National archives, Kew) Russell does not have the ‘know it among a hundred’ line.

12) Wilkinson, Josephine Katherine Howard p31

13) Russell, Gareth, Young and Damned and Fair, p51

So, How did it go?

A Heck of an evening at court.

14) Letters and papers 1)Vol 14 pt 2 22nd December 2539 Item 719 2) Vol 14 Part 2 24th December 1539 p733

The Fellowship of the Ring

The High Point

2DOR Status Meeting

TudorRoyal Popup Meeting

The Nookie Cottage

Episode 8: the Undoing of Cromwell (Part 2)

That whole climb, the fall awaited

1) Borman, T, Thomas Cromwell, p349 (Letters and papers, Volume 15, dated 23rd June, item 804, letter from Marillac to Montmorency)

2) Borman, T, Thomas Cromwell, p353

3) Borman, T, Thomas Cromwell, p350

We may have to burn them all

4) Starkey, David, Six Wives p636 (Burnet, History of the reformation Volume 4 p428 – in the googlebooks version it’s on page 110, 2nd column, in the last quarter of the page)

Taken to Church

5) Borman, T, Thomas Cromwell, p368

q) Borman T, Thomas Cromwell, p362 (Letters and Papers, undated, presumed 11th June 1540, Cranmer to Henry VIII item 770)

You need a vacation

6) Weir, Alison, Henry VIII King and Court, p435

7) Hutchinson, Robert The Last Days of Henry VIII p30 (Burnet, History of the reformation, vol 2 p lxxxvii)

8)Borman, T, Thomas Cromwell p 356 (Letters and papers

9) Borman T, Thomas Cromwell, p356(Hall’s Chronicle pp838-9)

Pretty smug Brandon

10) Borman, T, Thomas Cromwell, p365

11) Borman, T, Thomas Cromwell, p351

12) Borman, T Thomas Cromwell, p 372 (Letters and Papers June 30th 1540, item 824 Cromwell to Henry VIII)

A tasteful three way

13) Letters and papers, 30th June 1540, Cromwell to Henry item 823, right at the bottom.

In the Company of Shitheels

14) Borman, T, Thomas Cromwell, p378

15) Borman, T, Thomas Cromwell, p384 (Galton, A The Character and times of Thomas Cromwell, 1887, p156)

16) Borman, T Thomas Cromwell, p385

17) Borman, T, Thomas Cromwell, p384

Goodbye Great Statesman

First Sweep

Surprise! this time it’s not the wife

18) Fraser, Antonia, Six Wives, p329 (Goldsmidd collection (goooglebooked p24 in the ‘four original documents regarding Henry VII’s marriage to Anne of Cleves))

Second Sweep

19) Borman, T, Thomas Cromwell p 380

Nonsuch Palace

Sweeps three, four and five

Here comes nothing