The Tudors Recap – Season 3 Footnotes Episodes 5-8

Hello, and Welcome to the CanuckMom (1) , and Pusher 7 (2) Footnotes page for The Tudors Season 3 Episodes 5-8.

1: I swear I will finish The Witcher…by 31st December 2020.

2: You know who you are…I don’t, but I do know that you want me to finish The Ten Commandments. I swear I will finish The Ten Commandments…by 31st December 2020.

Well, I’ve stuck it on the footnotes page for half a season. It should be pretty hard to sidle out of that commitment. Harder than actually doing the work? I guess we’ll find out just how Henry VIII I am (I am).

Oh, and I think I’ve found an easier way to do this.

That’s it. That’s the introduction to the second half of season 3 footnotes page.

Bibliography Season 3, Episodes 5-8


Borman, Tracy, The Private Lives of The Tudors, Hodder and Stoughton, 2016

Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell, Hodder and Stoughton 2014

Fraser, Antonia, The Six Wives of Henry VIII, Arrow 1998

Hutchinson, Robert, The Last Days of Henry VIII, Weidenfeld and Nicholson 2005

Schenk, Wilhelm, Reginald Pole, Cardinal of England, Longmans, Green & Co, 1950

Starkey, David, Six Wives: The Queens of Henry VIII, Vintage 2004

Weir, Alison, Henry VIII: King and Court,Pimlico 2002

Wilkinson, Josephine, Katherine Howard: The Tragic Story of Henry VIII’s Fifth Queen. John Murray 2017


British History Online: Letters and Papers, Foreign and Domestic, Henry VIII Starting at Volume 12 Part 2

Hall’s Chronicle (1809 printing) Has a far longer original title, written by Edward Hall (1496 – 1547) Protestant perspective.

Episode 5: Problems in the Reformation (Part 1)

First, The Tea

1:Starkey, David, Six Wives, p608 (Letters and Papers Henry VIII, Vol 12, Part 2 item 977 – Russell to Cromwell 24/10/1537)Also Fraser, Antonia, Six Wives, p280 (the same)

Then we assassinate Pakington

2: I’m paraphrasing but here:Letters and Papers Henry VIII,Volume 11, Nov 1536, no 1092

3: Hall’s Chronicle page 824

4:The Tudor Society Online, it needs a sub, but the part from a woman who knew he imported bibles is before the break.

q: Cromwell’s Holbein portrait was destroyed after his death. Three early copies remain. This is the one from the National Gallery, London. Courtesy Wikipedia.

5: Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell, p284-287

6: Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell, p282-284

7:Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell, p290

More Tea

8: Hall’s Chronicle, p825

9: Weir, Alison, Henry VIII King and Court p408 (John Leland Collectanea – British Library)

10: Fraser, Antonia, Six Wives p282 (Halls Chronicle p825 as above)

Meet Will

11 Weir, Alison, Henry VIII: King and Court p251

12: Borman, Tracy, The Private Lives of The Tudors, p225

13:Borman, Tracy, The Private Lives of The Tudors p141 (Attributed to Erasmus, quoted in Southworth, J Fools and Jesters at the English Court p9)

Mary, too

14:Fraser, Antonia, Six Wives p281

15: Weir, Alison, Henry VIII: King and Court p409

Caserta, 1538 where we turned the gig.

Week 1.5: Nonsuch Palace

Excitingly Close to Caserta, 1538

Back at the Brandon’s for Angst

Week 2: back in the whistling apartments

Fictional Crime

Hygiene Central

16: Weir, Alison, Henry VIII: King and Court p410

17:Weir, Alison, Henry VIII: King and Court p414 (Letters and papers,April 6-10 1538, Item 696, Thomas Worley to Lady Lisle)

Episode 5: Problems in the Reformation (Part 2)

The 2DOR Office

1) Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell, p277

Royal Palace Cul de Sac

2) If you’re interested, easiest to see it on a map, or maybe take a street view tour. Marlborough Road, the only available route between the Mall and the top of Pall Mall features a lot of very high, thick walls, hefty spiky metalwork, impassive blank gates and a corner of St James’ Palace. The Old Stable Yard that leads to Clarence House is not accessible. It’s a neat solution to a high security need in one of the busiest parts of one of the busiest cities in the world, but it means St James’ Palace remains largely obscured.

Pall Mall and The Mall, by the way, got their names from the Stuart royal family sport, which members played on courts set up near those roads, and maybe on the roads themselves. The Hanoverian family sport was Olympic level feuding with your heir and that happened everywhere.

Nonsuch, Not so Much

3) Fraser, Antonia, Six Wives, p287

4) Friends of Nonsuch site

Week 3: Henry “The Religious Situation” Tudor,

And the Dox Bollocks

5) Great Bible of 1540 p429 (Internet archive)

Total Recall

q) Weir, Alison, Henry VIII King and Court p414 (Letters and papers, April 1538, item 696, Thomas Worley to Lady Lisle) I’m having trouble believing there were 40 guys on one side, and they won against the guards, mainly because the incident is reported nowhere else other than this letter from some dude to Lady Lisle, but it’s a primary source and he quotes a lot of detail for the earlier, smaller, incidents of fighting he talks about.

Cromwell’s Got a Hessian Posse

Are the Prawns Code?

Phased Work Returns

6) Letters and papers October 1537 21st – 25th. Henry to Francis I Item 972

The Second Son

Greener Grass with Fewer Steps

Resume the Hunt

7) All found via Schenk, W, Reginald Pole: Cardinal of England

” One brainsick fool should be the ruin of so great a family” Letters and Papers September 1537 21-30 Item 795

“Make him eat his own heart” Letters and papers December 1538 11-15 (vol 13) item 1036: Cromwell’s friend Latimer reminds Cromwell he said it.

8) Letters and papers November 1538 1-5 (vol 13) item 753 a report from the French Ambassador

The Empire Strikes Back

9) Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell p302

10) Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell, p297

11) Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell, p303

Episode 6: Search for a New Queen (Part 1)


The Foreshadowing

1) If you haven’t been back since I wrote Episode 5’s recap I found some basis for those two fighting incidents I previously dissed as bollocks. It’s from Alison Weir, and she got it in a primary source in the Letters and papers ( April 1538, item 696, Thomas Worley to Lady Lisle). It was Gawen Carrow, not Gawain Carew. He wasn’t killed, he aggressively resisted arrest for something else and might have killed a yeoman, and he was one of Cromwell’s guys. The letter was written April 1538 so it happened then or just before, 5 months after Henry’s isolation period.  Also I don’t trust the primary with the whole “40 guys rioting” thing, I haven’t found a reference anywhere else yet, and 40 guys on one side, the rioters win a fight at court and no one else has a note of it? Chapuys was uninterested? May well have happened but I bet it was a hell of a lot smaller.

So, it was later than The Tudors has it, (I came across it while researching something for this week) but it’s got a popular historian and primary source backing (with an awful lot of asterisks) so score one for The Tudors and Alison Weir.

What Cromwell Did

2) Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell, p302-303

q) Schenk, W, Reginald Pole Cardinal of England, p82 (Letters and Papers Vol 13, Pt 2 Item 753 (5th November Castillon to Montmorency – section in french)

3) Letters and Papers Vol13 Part 2 Item 695 record of interrogation

q2) attempt 1: Item 703 Husee to Lord Lisle

attempt 2: item 37 Chapuys to the emperor – right at the bottom of a long letter, Geoffery Pole is referred to in code as Master Caro.

There’s Something About Marie

4) Hutchinson, Robert, The Last Days of Henry VIII, p20 (Kulek, Jean Correspondance politique de MM. de Castillon et de Marillac, ambassadeurs de France en Angleterre (1537 – 1542), 1885)

Confusion in the Cells

Stand Up Christina

5) Letters and Papers March 1538 (Item 507 Hutton to Cromwell)  account of Holbein’s visit.

An Impression of Evidence

An Evening at Court

6) Letters and Papers Vol12 Part 2 (December 1537) Item 1172

7) Starkey, David, Six Wives, p618 (Letter and papers Vol 12, Part 2 (December 1537) item 1188

8) Letters and Papers Vol 12 Part 2 (December 1537) Item 1187

The One That Got Away

9) Letters and Papers Vol 14 part 1(February 1539) Item 194

10) Letters and Papers Vol 13 Part 1 (March 1538) Item 507

11) Amyot, Thomas, Transcript of an original manuscript from George Constantyne to Lord Thomas Cromwell,  Archaelogia, Volume 23 (1831). Published Online and accessed and Cambridge University Press 2012.

12) Letters and Papers Vol 14 part 1(February 1539) Item 194 right at the end.

Much to do about Tapestry

13 Schenk, W, Reginald Pole, p85 *Letters and Papers Vol 14 Part 1 (18th May 1538) item 980 John Worth to Lord Lisle

14) Schenk, W, Reginal Pole, p85 (Letters and Papers Vol 13 Part 2 Item 855)

Leg man

15) Fraser, A, Six Wives p291 (Letters and papers Vol 13 Part 1 Item 583)

16) Weir Alison, Henry VIII King and Court p414 (Letters and Papers Vol 13 Part 1 – 14th May 1538 item 995)

Morning In England

Episode 6: Search For a New Queen Part 2

Easy Glider

1: Letters and Papers 16th October 1538 Item 622 (draft 3).

Pillow Talk

2: Weir, Alison, Henry VIII King and Court p417

3: Letters and papers 14th May 1536 Item 873

Cromwell’s Wave

4: Letters and papers 27th October 1538 Item 702 part 2.

Henry the Photophile and the Case of John Lambert

Torch Hand

Easy, Rider

5: Fraser, Antonia Six Wives p289 ((Kulek, Jean Correspondance politique de MM. de Castillon et de Marillac, ambassadeurs de France en Angleterre (1537 – 1542), 1885 p80-81)

Swanning About

To Be or Not to Be

Back at Don’t Care Ranch

6: Fraser, Antonia, Six Wives, p299

Henry’s Wave

Tell You Something Pretty

Episode 7: Protestant Anne of Cleves Part 1

Great Expectations

q: Borman, Tracy Thomas Cromwell p320 (Merriman R.B. (ed)Life and Letters of Thomas Cromwell 1902)Vol 1 p244

Crisis Meeting

1: Letters and Papers, 1st March 1539, Item 408

2: Spanish Calendar of State Papers, 8th March 1539, Item 42 (Chapuys recall and Wriothesley’s recall discussed, Wyatt also recalled at this time)

3: Letters and papers 14th March 1539, Item 520

4: Letters and Papers 16th March 1539, Item 533

5: Letters and Papers 3rd March 1539, Item 433

Time Skips and Failed Ships

6: Fraser, A, Six Wives, p308 (Campbell, Lorne Renaissance portaits, 1990, p85 and Hacker, Peter & Kuhl, Candy, A Portrait of Anne of Cleves, Burlington magazine, March 1992 p175)

7) Fraser, A Six Wives p300(Campbell, Lorne Renaissance portaits, 1990 p84, Pope-Hennessey, John, The Portrait in the Renaissance, 1961, p321 note 41)

8) Letters and Papers, 18th March 1539, Item 552 (Cromwell to Henry)

9: Fraser, A, Six Wives, p299 (Henry VIII, State Papers Volume 1p605)

10: Fraser, A, Six Wives, p306 (Strickland, Agnes, Lives of the Queens of England vol III p48)

Brighton calls for Aid!

A Cygnificant Dukedom

11: Borman, Tracy, Thomas Cromwell, p322

Personality Politics

12:Fraser, A, Six Wives p299, Wilkinson, J, Katherine Howard,p55


13: Borman, Tracy Thomas Cromwell, p323

q2: Letters and Papers Vol 14 pt2, 6th October 1539 item 285

Sir Francis Bryan’s International Intrigue Workshop

14: Schenk, W, Reginald Pole, p80


15: Weir, Alison, Henry VIII King and Court, p424 (Lisle Letters)

16: Wilkinson, J, Katherine Howard p56(Letters and Papers Vol14 Pt 2, 22nd November 1539 item 572 (4))

17:Wilkinson, J, Katherine Howard p56(Letters and Papers Vol16, 4th December 1541)

Was She Though?

18:Fraser, A, Six Wives p296

19: Fraser, A, Six Wives, p303-304

Oh, Those Calais Evenings

To Carpentras

Fashion Week, again?

To Rochford

20: Fraser, A Six Wives, p304-305